Former UK and Sweden Ambassador Matthew Barzun (Obama administration) joins the show to talk about what it’s like to serve at the highest levels of government, to be a member of the Brown family of Brown-Forman and his new book, “The Power of Giving Away Power.” Buy his book on Amazon.
- Foursquare 2008 Rum 12 Year (19:05)
- Principia Rum (24:12)
- Old Forester Owsley Brown Special Release (49:55)
Fred and Matthew discuss many topics, such as:
- They kick off by talking about Matthew’s new book, “The Power of Giving Away Power: How the Best Leaders Learn to Let Go,” starting with an intriguing guessing game discussing how freedom dovetails with togetherness.
- Matthew talks about his time in Sweden and eating fermented herring for breakfast. Check out his YouTube video on the subject.
- Burzan is a rum fan, and Fred is always ready to talk rum. Then they drink rum.
- They talk modern dating versus being married. “It’s a strange time,” Fred notes. They then talk about how they asked paternal permission to propose to their respective wives.
- Matthew talks about being asked to be an American ambassador by then-President Barack Obama, and how he approached the job.
- Burzan gets into how he became acquainted with bourbon upon moving to Kentucky … by none other than whiskey legend Owsley Brown, who became his father-in-law. He then describes how he applied the principles of bourbon to life and relationships.
- Learn the four possible outcomes of a meeting – and three are undesirable. They then discuss how politics and compromise relate to baseball-themed bathroom graffiti.
- The desire to win, Matthew asserts, is an obstacle to joint success, be it politics or a marriage.
- Fred explains how ascots came to be associated with a “rich asshole” look. But the garment’s tradition is far more nuanced.
- The Old Forester they share pleases Fred, who says it “tastes like Christmas.” He goes on and on.
- Burzan talks about the 2020 Democratic primary, with an interesting “What if?” involved.
- The conversation wanders into the area of weight loss. The bad news? Bourbon adds pounds.
- Learn more about Matthew Burzan and his career via his Wikipedia page.
“I appreciate freedom, I appreciate together. What I think we want, and certainly what we really need in this country, and the best idea of America that we fall short of all the time … what we want is freedom together.” -Burzan, describing the focus of his new bookStay In Touch!